5 comments on “Separation of Church & State

  1. Separation of church and state from Roger Williams such as adultery and not keep sabbath my be considered sinful but not criminal and murder for example is both. Said Puritans should not encode sin into civil law. That is my understanding. I never have been able to clearly define for myself how far people of faith should bring their values and beliefs into secular politics. I suppose that is impossible if we have integrity. But since Jesus attracts by conversion so must Christians and we should spend less time in the state house and more time in the meeting house or in missionary work. Do you want Islamic values of Hindu values encoded into law here? Probably not so how can we demand that our Christan value be encoded? That separation of church and state must continue to be an umbrella to keep every one out of the rain. Jesus never went to the Roman Senate or before the Pharisees or Sadducees to get laws passed. If we are men of conscience fewer laws will be needed.

      • I would like to continue the discussion. Do you have particular questions that may help clarify what I am saying? I really don’t propose finite answers as I am still trying to figure out the balance between Christian activism and not imposing these values on others with different views. That is the stream of consciousness.

  2. This sentence:

    “Separation of church and state from Roger Williams such as adultery and not keep sabbath my be considered sinful but not criminal and murder for example is both”

    Huh??

    And this:

    “Do you want Islamic values of Hindu values encoded into law here? Probably not so how can we demand that our Christan value be encoded?”

    No, I do not want Hindu or Islamic values to influence our laws. But what I do want is the freedom to say “Merry Christmas” or pray during a graduation ceremony or utter the name of Jesus without the PC police getting offended over every little thing. The Constitution guarantees me the right of freely exercising my religion, and I feel like that right is infringed upon more & more every day.

  3. Yes you are right. It seems like people of faith are ridiculed by that PC and Hollywood culture.And they will continue do be vocal but you should not feel your rights are being infringed upon. Sadly these people have not been chosen or refuse to chose to avail themselves of the invitation of Jesus to be restored and healed and the glorious joy of being led and fortified by the Holy Spirit. I don’t see how our freedom to express things is limited, however. Christians may pray in school but it cannot be part of the morning exercises because that would be state sponsorship. I could understand the objection of a nativity scene at city hall because that would be state sponsorship but you can set one up at your home as you decorate house for Christmas. It is a little harder for me to understand objection to posting 10 Commandments as that is cross-cultural despite origin but I suppose it’s Jewish origin and the suggestion it is from God would appear to be state sponsorship of Judaism and belief in God. That is inappropriate. It may be as objectionable to some people as is the display of the confederate flag to African Americans at govt or private places or the display of the swastika at govt or private places for Jews.The reference to Roger Williams 1600′s is that fellow Puritans codified criminal law and religious law. They came for freedom but also to create a theocracy of church rule. Non believers or those not in full compliance were fined, tortured, and banished. That is what happens when no separation of church and state. Baptists and Quakers and Catholics were severely persecuted. So adultery was a sin AND crime there. Williams suggested that it may be condemned as a sin but should not be punishable as a civil crime.I think that is the focal point of separation. Of course I am angered that the stores and commercials don’t say merry Christmas, but happy holidays but I am not angered if the reference other religious holidays by name so why can’t they reciprocate with tolerance? . You can do Christian missionary work without hindrance. You can set up Christian homeless shelter and food bank and have that freedom because it is not govt sponsored. You may enjoy The Faiths of the Founding Fathers, David L. Holmes, Oxford University Press, 2006. You may enjoy theology blog “Parchment and Pen” or “Pen and Parchment.” My blog is cartoons and silly funny stuff. Invite your visit. In Christ, I remain…..

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